Morning Bits: Top Ten Prospects, Gio Gonzalez

Good morning all.  Let’s get right to the links…..

* RAB has the list from Baseball America’s 2012 Top 10 Prospects for the New York Yankees.

* How the Yankees could get Gio.

* Ken Rosenthal argues that the Mariners definitely should trade King Felix this offseason. He notes how the Mariners are very excited about their young starting pitching. However, Ken makes a very intriguing point- “Not all of the Mariners’ young pitchers and hitters are going to develop in the way that club officials anticipate. The more prospects a team collects, the greater the chances that it will succeed.”

 

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Posted on December 22, 2011, in Hot Stove and tagged , . Bookmark the permalink. 22 Comments.

  1. I like the Yankees trade idea to get Gio. I think it could work.

  2. I still like Kuroda or Oswalt on a 1 year deal. Gio would be nice but at this point I’m not convinced that Beane will part with Gio for something resembling a reasonable package.

    Worse case signing either Kuroda or Oswalt to a 1 year deal allows the Yankees to upgrade the rotation this year. May be not by a lot but either or certainly would be an upgrade. The other thing it affords the Yankees, is keeping both Banuelos and Betances in Triple A for the entire season to get both innings and seasoning against the best players in the minors. And gives one or both of them a real shot at the starting rotation in 2013 if the Yankees don’t or if no one is available at the end of the 2012 season.

    Perhaps it’s the optimist in me but I still think that come the trade deadline of the 2012 season or the end of the season a few of the “star” FA’s will still be available. I’m not convinced that the Phillies and the Giants will both be able re-sign Hamels and Cain and let’s not forget Anabel Sanchez. Granted he’s not Hamels or Cain but he still would be a very decent catch. I’m also not convinced that there won’t be other options as well like a King Felix trade. Or even an Ervin Santana who knows, the Angels might make him available come the end of the 2012 season as they have 2013 options on both Santana and Haren. Will they be able to satisfy both players demands at the end of of their contracts after all the money they just recently spent? And either one of them would fetch a pretty decent haul in prospects for the Angels

    While obviously my preference is NOT for the Yankees to stand pat with the rotation as it stands now because I don’t think it’s the type of rotation that can get the Yankees to the “promised land” the World Series. I think there are still options out there and time, even if it happens during the season for the Yankees to do something that would make an impact.

    Like I said call me an optimist.

    • not sure which of the two i prefer. I guess Kuroda since he isn’t injury prone. I’m just afraid one day i turn on my laptop and see that the yankees signed jackson to a 4 or 5 year contract. I hope that doesn’t happen.

      • Personally I like Kuroda more. Probably Kuroda would cost the Yankees more in a guaranteed contract. I think you could probably get away with a little less up front money for Oswat but he would have to have some decent incentives which if met would probably come to more then Kuroda’s guarantee.

        I’m pretty sure especially after Buehrle signing a 4 year deal and now Danks extension someone will offer Jackson at least 4 maybe 5 especially with Boras being his agent.

        I agree though I really hope it’s NOT the Yankees.

        • Also the bench needs to be looked at. Jones for some reason is not locked up yet as well as Chavez.

          I wouldn’t mind bringing either of them back I wonder what is holding up the process.

          • Wouldn’t be surprised if part of the hold up on Chavez is if the Yankees can sign the Japanese player they won the rights to. As for Jones, the hold up may be on his side. Two things make me think that. One, Boras is his agent (which is probably the main reason) and two, it’s been reported he’s looking more more playing time then he got last year. There have been reports also, of several interested teams in giving him that opportunity.

            • one of those teams being the Red Sox.

            • Matt, although if I were a betting man I would say the Red Sox go with some in house combination platoon for RF (Reddick/???). And use what resources they have determined they have left for a starting pitcher and a “decent” closer”. They are going to go over the luxury tax threshold for 2012 I just think they want to limit by how much.

              They can probably save themselves $3 to $5MM by using 2 league minimum in house players in RF even over signing Jones.

  3. Here are the top ten from baseball america for those that didn’t click the link.
    Any surprises from anyone? I was surprised to see Bichette Jr. this high already after only his first season.

    Jesus Montero
    Manny Banuelos
    Dellin Betances
    Gary Sanchez
    Mason Williams
    Dante Bichette Jr.
    Ravel Santana
    Austin Romine
    J.R. Murphy
    Slade Heathcott

  4. For what it’s worth, read this a little earlier on SI.com:

    Thursday, December 22
    12/22/11 – 5:46AM ETGio Gonzalez : Headed to Nats?
    The Nationals are reportedly close to acquiring Gonzalez, the team’s web site reports.

    • yeah just read two teams are hot on him and it could be the Nats with the other teams either Red Sox or Marlins.

    • The names they say the Nats are discussing with the A’s are good prospects but they aren’t trading their elite guys like Bryce Harper or Anthony Rendon. The names they are talking about are their next tier of prospects. Why can’t the Yanks do the same?

      Nats are talking about pitchers Brad Peacock & AJ Cole, C Derek Norris and A-ball OF Eury Perez. Yanks have similar rated prospects in pitchers Dellin Betances & Hector Noesi, C Austin Romine or Gary Sanchez and plenty of low-level OFs like Slade, Bichette, Santana, Austin & M.Williams.

      All we ever hear about is teams wanting Montero, Manny & Betances. I find it hard to believe Cashman can’t find a deal without trading Montero or Manny. Heck, for Gio, I would probably even include Banuelos but it sounds to me that Cashman is unwilling to trade anyone decent.

      I’m getting a little frustrated at all of the excuses constantly offered up for why Cashman hasn’t brought in a pitcher we have needed for 2 years now. We aren’t going to get a #2 pitcher for nothing, so if Cash doesn’t want to spend money or trade any prospects, what is the answer? Another year of Aj, Freddy & Hughes?

  5. Anyone catch this from Andrew Marchand on ESPN? How can the Yankees not be able to afford Oswalt or Kuroda on a 1 year deal? Can all of this crap we are reading this Winter about the Yankees cutting salary be serious? Signing a 1yr deal would have no impact on the 2014 Luxury Tax.

    It is about the money.

    By Andrew MarchandI

    The Yankees are still unlikely to do anything major this offseason unless they can unload some money, a baseball official with knowledge of their plans. So even though they like Hiroki Kuroda a lot, Yankees GM Brian Cashman does not have the cash to spend on the righty starter. Kuroda figures to receive at least $12 million on a one-year deal.

    Feeling they have five starters in CC Sabathia, Ivan Nova, Phil Hughes, A.J. Burnett and Freddy Garcia, that is not in Cashman’s budget. The Yankees already have commitments that will put their 2012 payroll in the $185-$200M range

    • Doesn’t have the cash? That’s just ridiculous. I understand the whole Luxury Tax thing, but not enough cash to sign a pitcher to a 1 yr / $12MM deal? That doesn’t sound right.

    • and it makes no sense if you think about the money they gave up with Posada’s and Igewa’s contract.

      • Matt, I agree that it makes no sense not to do it. But most if not all of the Posada savings got eaten up by increases to: Cano, Swisher, Granderson and what the arbitration awards to players like Martin, Gardner and Robertson will be.

        Also I might be wrong but I’m not sure Igawa ever counted towards the luxury tax. I’m not sure he ever was on the 40 man roster.

    • I read it earlier. It would seem so at least so far. May be the Yankees are just going to wait until the trade deadline to see what’s available. Who knows may be the Yankees internally just don’t consider either Kuroda or Oswalt enough of an up grade to justify the expense. It does seem pretty silly if you ask me, though.

      BTW, did you see on MLB TradeRumors the Red Sox are OUT on Beltran. It’s looking more and more like he’s going to the Cardinals.

      It’s been a very strange winter so for hardly any activity by both the Red Sox and the Yankees. I have a hard time remembering that’s been the case. Usually at least one team makes some noise.

  6. For what it’s worth just read this on both MLB TradeRumors and NBC Sports (HBT).

    The Yankees and Red Sox were the only teams that paid a luxury tax penalty for 2011, reports The Associated Press. New York paid a $13.9MM penalty (the team’s lowest since 2003) while Boston paid $3.4MM.

    By my calculation that puts the Yankees official 2011 Payroll for Luxury Tax purposes at: $212,750,000 +/- and it puts the Red Sox 2011 Payroll for Luxury Tax purposes at: $186,500,000.

    …and to all a good night.

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