Is Pineda’s control & velocity really an issue?

RHP Michael Pineda (courtesy of Associated Press)

Michael Pineda came into camp on February 19 hoping that he could win a spot in the New York Yankees rotation. With approximately a week and a half until Opening Day, Pineda has drawn up concern among fans and writers. Of course we all know that Michael Pineda has not been in New York for long and is not accustom to someone over-analyzing his every move in every outing but hey, this is New York, the center of the media zoo.

In Pineda’s last couple of starts, he has shown promise. He has shown why he was so powerful in Seattle but there was an issue with all his outings; control. In an excerpt from Andrew Marchand’s article on ESPN New York, he explains how velocity isn’t his only issue, but also control:

The major concern for Michael Pineda’s spring has been velocity, but that has masked another problem for the talented, young starter thus far — a lack of control. For the fourth time in five outings, Pineda could not last the ideal amount of innings in his start Sunday because he threw too many pitches.

After 87 pitches and five innings Sunday, he was out of there.

The fact that Pineda’s fastball stayed at 90-92 throughout his start, with the occasional 93 or 94, is still a definite concern if he is going to be a dominant starter. But, right now, he trends toward a four or five to begin the season because he may have an inability to go deeper into games and dominate. He looks like a 12-to-14 win guy with around a 4.00 ERA.

I have noticed that during Michael Pineda’s last few starts he has had control issues. In Pineda’s outing versus the Pirates, he had thrown 33 pitches and had thrown too many cutters in the first inning before settling down and showing us why the Yankees traded for him. In his outing yesterday, Pineda had gotten into too many full counts and was done after 5 innings, which is something you don’t want to do during the regular season. In those situations, you end up burning out your big guys in the bullpen like Rafael Soriano, Boone Logan, David Robertson & Mariano Rivera.

We can’t really judge Michael Pineda for solely this one reason: We have never seen him during Spring Training in years past. This is the first time that the Yankees have seen Pineda during the Spring so there isn’t much that we can compare to. Perhaps Pineda uses Spring to work on his pitches and saves his velocity during the regular season which I am hoping is the case. A scout had spoken to Marchand about Pineda and what he said was not only interesting, but also made a lot of sense.

I think he is going to be okay,” a scout said of Pineda, whose final line was fine (5 IP, 1 ER, 4 H, 2 BB, 4 Ks). “He got strong as the game went on [Sunday.] I had him at 89-91 with a couple of 93s. He was not dominant and probably isn’t yet what the Yankees expected. But I think when he gets under the lights of Yankee Stadium, he is going to be OK.”

So should we really be worried about Pineda and his velocity at this point? I would still say that it is too early to tell. Probably once he hits Yankee Stadium the adrenaline will equal a higher velocity. I do know one thing though. I get the feeling we are going to see great things from Michael Pineda in 2012.

To read the ESPN New York article click here

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Delia Enriquez is the managing editor of Yankees Fans Unite. She enjoys analyzing the New York Yankees whether it be their pitching, roster or their manager. You can follow her on twitter @dfiregirl4 for more tweets, analysis and opinion on the Yankees.

Posted on March 26, 2012, in Personal Opinion and tagged , . Bookmark the permalink. 90 Comments.

  1. People have to get over it lol, Montero is gone.

    Not only is he gone but he is a guy who has a whoppin 70 AB’s in the show under his belt. What happens once the league makes an adjustment to him (as it has with Jason Heyward)?

    Pineda has all the tools to be a solid pitcher for a long time. By nature that makes him more valuable than any position player, even a catcher (assuming Montero can actually handle full-time catching duties).

    Even at his current level of performance if you look at the total contents of that trade (i.e. Noesi leaving the Yankees and Jose Campos and his 98 MPH heat at the tender age of 19 coming into the system) this trade was a win for the Yankees, no matter how Jesus does.

    There is a reason why it’s easier to find an impact bat on the open market/trade market than it is to find an impact pitcher, let alone TWO under the age of 23…high end bats are just much more common.

    • “There is a reason why it’s easier to find an impact bat on the open market/trade market than it is to find an impact pitcher, let alone TWO under the age of 23…high end bats are just much more common.”

      There are many reasons to defend the trade, but this argument’s perhaps the best. Just look at the trade prices of Mat Latos and Gio Gonzalez. Not to mention that a #3 pitcher getting $15.5 million a year is ridiculous. It’s obvious that pitching costs a heck of a lot more than hitting.

      People act like Jesus Montero was the future of the Yankees offense. He wasn’t. First of all, very few hitters in the history of the game have single-handedly made that big a difference to a team’s offense. Secondly, the Yankees have good/great hitters coming up, and the financial ability to get whatever else they need.

      Building a great/young pitching staff is by far the smartest thing to do.

      • Who are these great bats coming up in the system? Who are the young bats elsewhere you think are available anytime soon?
        One bat can change the entire dynamic of an order.
        The Yankees didn’t need Pineda to build a great young staff. With Warren, Phelps, Betances, and Banuelos(and what should have been Noesi) to go along with Nova and Hughes, young pitching for the FUTURE wasn’t a priority.
        This team was eliminated due to lack of hitting the last two years. Not only wasn’t that addressed, it was weakened!!
        Montero between the inconsistent Texeira and Swisher would have made this lineup completely different than it looks now.
        Ibanez’ bat “speed” looks slower than David Ortiz going from first to third.
        This team needed that bat.

        • What we “needed” was more than 8 IP yielding an ERA of 6.23 and a WHIP of 2.077 from the ace of our staff. We lost that series because the Yankees ace didn’t pitch well, granted the rain delayed/postponed first game of the series cause havoc, but in the end it all added up the same.

          Yes the offense was neutralized by the Tiger’s pitching but that’s the playoffs.

          Post-season game logs feature five 3-2 games for every 8-7 for a reason.

          Good to Great pitching > Good to Great batting every time. See: Cody Ross and his 2010 World Series ring.

        • Ravel Santana. Tyler Austin. Mason Williams. Gary Sanchez. I can keep going but if you didnt know any of these names then Im not surprised why you dont see the bats are easy to bring along in the system.

          You really compare Pineda, a guy with MLB success and good velocity and secondary pitches, to Warren and Phelps (who project to be back end of the rotation starters) Banuelos (an ace so Ill give you that) and Betances who is already being penciled into the bullpen?

          You sure can build a young rotation with what we have… a young rotation on a 4th place team in the AL East. Really dude? Why didnt you include DJ Mitchell? He is probably better then both Warren and Phelps and is A sinker ball pitcher (who tend to succeed in NEw York, see Wang and Nova recently) unless you dont know who he is.

          • I’m guessing he has no clue who you’re talking about. But you are correct.

          • All have those bats have potential. None will be with the big club in the next two years in a starting role.
            Mitchell needs to display more consistency. Sinkers work anywhere in my opinion. Inferring they work better in NY is bizarre.

            • And what holes are in the offense the next two years? I see RF opening up, that is currently filled by the team’s #6 or #7 hitter. And an opening at Catcher, which is the deepest position in the Yankees farm system. 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, LF, and CF are good for 2+ years.

              • I see RF also as well as Catcher. I’m not sure about Gardner. I see the potential, we all do, but doesn’t he have to actually do it at some point?

                • Do it? You mean something like steal 47 and 49 bases in back to back seasons, with the ability to do more damage there with better reads on pitchers’ moves? Two seasons at or above a .270 BA? An OBP that hasn’t been lower than .345 in the last three years? Probably the best LF, and one of the best CF, in the game?

                  Yeah… he’s a nothing. Hello!?!? His role is not to hit the long ball. It’s to get on base and let others drive him in, while playing excellent defense. He does that.

            • The Yankees are talking of starting Zoilo Almonte, who I forgot, as soon as next season in RF to replace Swisher….

              Mitchell needs to display consistency? He is the model of consistency… I never said they work BETTER in NY Im just saying that they seem to work well in NY. If you say they work better anywhere then thats fine, whatever. Im not gonna argue that all I wanted to do was throw out two yankees minor leaguers that werent lights out blue chip prospects that came up to the big club and won a ton with the sinker.

      • Amen.

        FACT: only 3 of the 106 teams that won a WS title had an ERA+ under 100, meaning pitching that was below league average.

        In that same span 38 had offenses that had an OPS+ under 100, meaning below league average.

        Pitching is much more important that hitting. Not even close.

        • So whose going to be the first to predict who will hit after ARod in the order? I hear a lot of talk, but not one person has answered that question.
          Lets hear it. Whose going to hit consistently after Arod in the order this year?

          • When you reply to the facts, like the fact that the pitching sucked in the ALCS in 2010, after you said it was the hitting that let them down, then I’d be happy to point that out for you.

            Then again, it would be a waste of time, as you can’t talk sense into some people.

            • Right, and maybe you can recite to me what Arod, Swisher, and Tex hit in that series. I know it off the top of my head. Do you?

              • Why don’t you out it on context and look at what EVERYONE for both teams hit in that series? Oh wait, it would show that nobody hit for shit for 5 games.

              • The collectibe batting average of both teams (as shown on was . .240 and an OBP of around .315.

                Or the equivalent of what the Giants and A’s do for an entire season.

            • I didn’t think you could without looking it up so let me enlighten you. The three zombies were a combined 6-57(.105) in that series. That had nothing to do with it huh?
              The three zombies then combined to go 9-55(.139) in the 2011 ALDS.
              When your 3-4-6 and 4-5-6 guys go 15-112(.134) in two consecutive postseason series you are going to lose. It’s really that simple.
              Anyone ignoring those stats and blaming the pitching for those series is really out of touch with reality.

          • Tex. Average might not be high but you want to say his 39 HRs/111 RBIs and .850 OPS aren’t protection for ARod?

            If so, please do so we can all get a good laugh.

            Most likely lineup = Jeter – Grandy – Cano – Arod – Tex – Swish – Martin – Ibanez/Jones – Gardner.

            That is 62 HRs and 200 RBIs with a collective OPS of .830 or so in the two slots behind ARod.

            Lets compare those numbers to the two bats behind Miguel Cabrera, Fielder & Young.

            47 HRs and 153 RBIs with a collective OPS of right around .840.

            ARod has just as good a pair of bats protecting him as anyone else in the game. You go ahead and try it. Think of a team, hit

        • dypostl, pitching can be up to 75% of the game of baseball, plus most teams only use their top 3 pitchers in the playoffs, sometimes 4.

          • Morning Doug,

            I agree that pitching is very important but just curious… do you come to the figure 75%? Is there some kind of stat or measurement that you are referring to or is it just your opinion?

            • fishjam, no it’s an old line used I think about Sandy Koufax, or maybe I read it in the 1956 Sports Illustrated article about Sal ( the barber ) Maglie.

              • Doug…
                I thought I was the only one that had ever seen Sal “The Barber” Maglie pitch? He and Gibson were to mean guys. Tiant was one that was hard to hit also! 🙂

                • old yankee, I never saw Maglie pitch, but I still have the 1956 Sports Illustrated article about pitching. I was 7 and just starting to get into baseball, and collecting baseball cards. I can’t believe that we used to put the cards in the spokes of out bikes. I was just thinking today about how the rules for pitchers has changed so much with the knock down pitch. I had more than one coach order me to hit a batter. Today they are warned, and tossed. It’s funny, they have changed the pitching rules, but they won’t change the play at the plate, running into the catcher. The Fossey or Posey play. I always thought they should make the runner slide like they do in high school.

                  • Doug…
                    I never had to be ordered to throw at anyone, I’d do it for myself. As Ted Williams use to say when asked why he only turned his back to a pitch that hit him; The batters box is mine”! anyhow, close enough. The plate was mine and thou shall not dive into or lean over the plate.
                    I hate the way this bunch of hippies has turned almost every sport into a game for sissies. They lowered the pitching mound then they made the strike zone so small it was a nice day for the hitters.
                    I have scares on my arms yet, from guys coming into 2nd spikes high, or knocking me into left field. Now that, is how one learns how to protect themselves. One way is to jump and come down with your spikes, one on him (lightly), after one time they play nicer…if not…..!
                    I guess it is a generational thing, it was one hell of a lot of fun!

          • Far more often it is 4, only because most teams don’t want to go the route the Yankees took in 2009 by running CC/Andy/A.J. out every start (with Andy and CC going on 3 days rest).

            But that is exactly my point, pitching has much more weight than offensive output in general.

            Look no further than Orel Hershiser in 1988 to see how one pitcher can dominate an entire playoff run…where one hitter cannot.

            (14 starts, 124.2 Innings Pitched. IP/Start 8.89…yeah, you read that right, 10 Wins/1 Loss, 1 Save in the NLCS when he snuck into the bullpen and warmed up on his own, only 73 Hits allowed, 9 Earned Runs yielded, 18 Walks vs 89 K’s and a microscopic ERA of 0.65 by the Bulldog that September playoff push & post-season)

            • dypost, I agree, althogh Randy Johnson and Schilling did beat the Yanks single handedly.

              • Yup. Incredible performance by those two (though Randy was the getter of the two, many forget Schilling would have been 1-2 in that series had Mo not blown that two inning save in Gm 7).

    • I couldn’t disagree more. There aren’t any impact bats available at a young age. We’re out of the PED era for the most part and bats are getting rarer. Just look at the plunge in batting stats overall the last few years.
      Could you please name the young bats you think are available worth having?
      Heyward NEVER had Montero’s potential or ability at the plate.
      Montero was going to give this team a needed bat in the order below Arod.

      • Scouts everywhere said Heyward was every bit the uber-prospect that Montero is.

        This is the scouting report on him right before he wound up in MLB:

        “Scouting report: There’s little Heyward can’t do. He’s got great bat speed, with the ability to hit for average and power. He has an excellent knowledge of the strike zone. He’s got a plus arm from the outfield, runs well and is an excellent base-runner. His makeup is off the charts. Oh, and he’s only 20. The only small knock has been a little bit of an injury history.

        Upside potential: All-Star right field prototype, a la Dave Winfield or Dave Parker.”

        Excuse me, he has the topside of a 3000 hit guy/Hall of Famer and he was “never the prospect Montero is”?

        • It’s quite clear after his “pitching was the issue the past 2 postseasons” comment that facts have passed him by a long time ago, while irrational thought took it’s place. Nobody is going to change him, so we may as well let it go.

          • Right, and as sorry as I was that the Yankees were eliminated the last two years the bundle I made betting the Rangers at 25-1 and 8-1 the last two seasons eased my pain. I just bet them again.
            Why did I like the Rangers the last two seasons? Because they had and continue to have the best lineup in MLB.
            The Yankees were eliminated the last two postseasons because they didn’t hit consistently and live on the long ball. Thats a 100 percent fact.
            Take a look at the OBP of the 2009 team. That team won with hitting, and adequate but not great pitching.

            • First of all, go someplace else to brag about your gambling. Nobody here cares. Why don’t you tell us about all your fantasy baseball titles while you’re at it?

              I posted 100% facts and they don’t support the idea that the offense was the problem.

              • Guys with faith in their opinions turn it into money!!
                I love the Dbacks to repeat in the West this year. They are a square price.
                I got Moore at 25-1 to win the AL Cy Young. Thats worth a play.
                Texas is a cinch to win the West again and are a fair price because of the overhyped Angels. 🙂

                • Congratulations for picking the one team in the NL West that isn’t borderline pathetic to win their division. Tje Dodgers are a mess, the Rockies might have Jamie Moyer (he who started the last game in Wrigley before they had lights installed) in the rotation, the Padres are, well, the Padres (lots of prospects and not much else) and the Giants have great pitching and an offense that barely had a .300 OBP last year.

                  Moore is a fine choice, though whatever innings limit gets slapped on him could come into play.

                  Yes, Texas should win their division. The Angels added one quality regular season arm who turns into an ERA of over 8.00 in the post-season but still have a closer who blew 10 saves last year, other holes in their bullpen and an offense that added Albert Pujols to a bunch of guys who barely outscored the Twin and A’s in 2011 (neither of those clubs scores in bunches if ya know what I mean).

                  None of your choices are enlightening lol.

            • That team won BECAUSE of it’s pitching.

              139.2 IP in post-season and an ERA of 3.12. So try again.

              Pitching + Timely Hitting + Heads up plays (prime example = Damon’s two base steal)

      • As for naming the bats who are available, in 2013 alone (barring extensions) you might see Mike Napoli, Josh Hamilton, Shane Victorino, B.J. Upton, Carlos Quentin, Andre Eithier, Delmon Young and a few others.

        2014 shows Joey Votto, David Wright, Kevin Youklis, Paul Konerko, Hunter Pence, Michael Morse, Nelson Cruz, Shin-Choo Choo, Jacoby Ellsburry, Adam Jones and Brian McCann as being scheduled to hit the market.

        And that is without even looking at other teams systems for prospects who could be an impact bat.

        Now go find me one tenth that number of impact arms that could be had in that same period. Good luck trying to.

        • Lets take these guys one by one ok?
          Hamilton won’t be pursued. As a guy with serious addiction issues NY would not be a good fit for him. Napoli is a catcher, we have so many of those as it is in the system its unlikely he’d be signed to a multiyear deal he will seek. Victorino? Not a good choice. Upton? Is he going to break .240 this year? Quentin, Eithier are aging. Young maybe.
          Votto? He and Tex going to platoon at first? LOL!! Wright and Arod going to platoon at 3rd?
          None of these guys fit.
          But again, you fail to address THIS YEAR!! Who do you have faith will hit after Arod in the order?

          • Lo, Eitheir aging. Priceless. Hasn’t even hit 30 yet, which means he is hitting prime.

            Wright wouldn’t platoon because, drum roll please, we need the DH slot for ARod !

            The MAIN REASON why you needed to trade Montero while his value was higher than it had ever been.

            As for this year…learn to read. Been addressed and waiting for your reply. We have 62 HRs and 200 RBIs with a collective .830 OPS slotted in the two slots behind him. That is more production out of the two lost behind him than Cabera, Papi etc..get.

            Now if we are “waiting for replies”, where is yours to your weak ass attempt to revise history on how highly touted Jason Heyward was in comparison to Montero?

            • Perhaps you didn’t realize it, lol, but LONG deals are what these guys sign now. You sign a 30 year old and you’re going to have to have him until he’s 36 or 37, which is all of a sudden old again now that the PED era has passed for the most part.
              You cited one Heyward scouting report. Others questioned his ability to hit consistently at the next level with the same powess he had below because he was SO smart at the plate already and outthinking young opposing pitchers. Many questioned how much upside he had because he was so developed already.

              • Perhaps you hadn’t noticed…long contracts do get handed out, but less often than in years past.

                For every Fielder/Pujols 9 year deal, or even Crawford/Werth 7 year deal you see ones of the 4 year variety.

                As for Heyward, go find the other scouting reports. Not saying they don’t exist, but I am baseball junkie hound who scours the internet for anything I can get my hands on and for one never saw a single report that questioned Heyward’s ability to be a premier MLB player any more than your run of the mill “as always, prospects can fail to shape up” stuff.

              • Nice piece doing exactly what I wanted, evaluating the many reports on Heyward. Not one negative one in the bunch, going through Baseball Prospectus, Keith Law and the rest of the major player in that arena:

                “Besides just the aggregate statistics he’s shown on the stat sheet in the minors, Heyward has matured to a level most players reach in their mid-20s. He’s 6’4″ and weighs 245 pounds, with the physical tools to boot. Some of the best baseball analysts can’t say enough about Heyward.

                For the second year in a row Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus rated Heyward as Atlanta’s best prospect, saying this year that his perfect world projection is as a “game-changing superstar.” He adds that Heyward has “the ability to contend for batting and on-base titles, all in a massive athletic package that’s loaded with tools.”

                Keith Law, of, rated Heyward as the major league’s best prospect, and commented that Heyward is a future star, and will easily become “a middle-of-the-order bat with power and patience.”

                Frankie Piliere of rated Heyward as his 4th best prospect, but again used a word like “star” in describing him and explained that Braves fans should be “confident” in the future impact for Heyward.

                And finally, Jonathon Mayo of may have had the highest praise for Heyward: “All-Star right field prototype, a la Dave Winfield or Dave Parker.”

                Of course there are times when even the most respected scouts and analysts are wrong, but right now there just doesn’t seem to be a whole lot to worry about when it comes to one of the front-runners for NL Rookie of the Year.”

      • Michael P…
        Did you not see the game tonight? Toronto has a couple of very good hitters. There are a few good bats coming along, remember there are more teams than just the Yankees.

        • Toronto is one top of the rotation guy and a couple of reliable BP arms away from being just as good as Yanks/Rays/Sox. Lawrie is a monster. An absolute monster. Joey Bats is a beast etc…

          Very, very good team. Just need to put it together (and keep it together) from more than 4 out of 6 months this year, something they have failed to do the last couple of years.

          • djpost……I agree about Toronto. They have a great minor lg system and a nice core in place to build around. They have a very good young GM in Anthopolous and rich ownership that is willing to spend money when the time is right.

            They have some of the hardest to find building blocks already in place:
            – a young lefty Ace (Romero)
            – a legit 40+ HR masher (Bautista)
            – a young potential star (Lawrie)

            Add to that good young SS, C & closer and they have a nice core. They need some of their young pitching to develop and someone from the group of Lind, Snider, Rasmus & K.Johnson to realize his potential. I thought they would add a veteran arm or 2 this yr to make a run but I guess they want to give their young pitchers opportunities first then maybe make a run next yr. The AL East is downright rugged as Toronto would contend in most any other division in MLB.

            • all great points Fish. Toronto is def a team on the rise.

            • Some people just don’t know how wealthy that Rogers Communications group is lol. They are willing to spend as long as it isn’t a BJ Ryan kind of crazy expenditure. They will make a strong run on Cain or Hamels if those guys aren’t locked into extensions.

          • DJ,I would add one more thin”Depth” ,Teams like the Yanks ,Rangers are so deep ,they can withstand an injury and not skip a beat.The young teams get exposed when they dip into their reserves.

            • Yup, people forget how many peaks and valleys a season has. Injuries, sudden loss of production from a key part of your roster etc..all have to be withstood over a brutal 162 game season.

  2. The Yankees were 2nd in AL in runs, 1st in HR’s, 2nd in OPS, 2nd in OBP, 5th in BA last year. Conversation about offense being in trouble is somewhat head scratching

  3. Montero was not really considered an IMPACT bat. He was an 80 on the power scale but he struck out too much and wasnt a huge average hitter in AAA. Mix in the fact that he didnt have a position and I dont see how your arguing for Montero hitting behind Arod.

    • You. Hit. The. Nail. On. The. Head.

      We have no spot for him. 1B has Tex locked in and you MUST keep DH open for Arod moving forward, possibly even this year if he wears down.

      If you don’t feel he cna catch sufficently, you can’t DH him long term, you can’t slide him to 1B and so on…you trade him while his stock is high and get two power arms under the age of 23 back.

      Unless your the guy majoring in revisionist history in these threads.

      • Two power arms? One is 19 and years from the majors. The other can’t crack 92 this spring and has control issues.
        The play was to keep Montero this year, and THEN trade him, in my opinion.

        • This team, without Montero, was already a contendor to win the World Series. They don’t need Montero. Hell, Montero was about the FUTURE of the Yankees, not the present. Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

          Oh, and Banuelos turns 22 in March. Good work.

        • The other is working on a changeup. Spring training isnt for letting it loose and hitting 100 mph… its for working on what you need to work on. Hence why he has control issues as well. He is taking it slow.. I dont see a problem with that personally. Hell any pitcher will tell you that the velocity is the LAST thing to come back in spring training. He is building arm strength. Im not even gonna mention Jose Campos because I would bet you know NOTHING about him so.. carry on.

          I think the play was to trade him last year, when his trade value was even higher, but we couldnt find a suitable trade partner.

        • The “other” cracked 94 multiple times his last start. Campos is 19 yet already crackin 98 and getting insane praise.

          And that’s fine on Campos. Because Kontos, Betances, Warren and Phelps (all of whom are at AAA already) have posted sub 1.93 ERA this spring.

          Banuelos has given up a 3 run HR and nothing else this entire spring while while displaying a 95 MPH fastball and nasty off-speed stuff.

          The play was to strike while the iron was hot, and after his September of last year it was never going to be hotter.

      • Not to mention that arm under the age of 23 that is under team control for cheap for 5 more years… which fits into the 2014 payroll plan.

        I mean it is not like we had to do much to get an improvement at DH from 2010. Jorge Posada was abysmal…

        No matter how you slice it or how you put a spin on it, we didnt need Montero.Austin Romine could start on half the teams in the majors right now. We dont need 40 home run all stars at every position, thats what we went for in the early 2000’s to the late 2000’s… and we had nothing to show for it.

        Montero was not versatile, did not run the bases well, did not defend well, did not hit off speed pitches well, didnt take walks, didnt hit for average… he hit home runs.

        • If only Romine could hit.

          • When did catcher become a offensive premium position and less of a defensive first position? The hell with Romine hitting. Call a good game, block balls, keep the runners at bay, and the rest I could give a damn about.

            • oh yeah I forgot we need a guy who would let anything in the dirt get passed him, couldnt throw out a guy at 2nd or 3rd base trying to steal, strikes out 150 times more then he walks, is a station to station player with no speed, but hits 20-30 home runs a year.

              How quickly we forget the man crush we all had on Jose Molina after the dreadful years of watching Posada look like a bumbling idiot behind the plate and hitting 25 home runs.

              • LOL!! I had a man crush on Molina too! I admit it.
                He was good for a double into the gap now and then too.

                • Yes but we didnt sign him to be a double in the gap hitter. Hell he flirted with the Mendoza line most of his career… but nothing got past him, nobody ran on him, and pitchers loved to throw to him.

                  Coincidence thats the last time we won the world series? coincidence thats the last time AJ burnett was good? Probably not…

              • Both you and I forgot to mention that Martin is the #8 hitter anyway, so it’s not like offense is needed at all out of the catching spot.

                Besides, Sanchez could be up in 3 years. I could see the Yankees signing Martin for a couple of years with an option, fitting perfectly with Gary’s developement.

            • Dan, you right, but the Yanks have used catcher as an offensive position with Posada and that seemed to work. Right now, Weiters, McCain, and Posey seem to be the best offensive catchers along with Molina and Napoli.

              • The Orioles, Braves, and Giants need production out of their catchers, because their offenses as a whole are kind of poor to really poor. The Cardinal and Ranger offense can get away without the production they get out of Molina and Napoli, because their offenses are potent enough already (STL is due to being in a relatively poor division)… just like the Yankees don’t need that production from the catching spot now.

  4. In the AL thats how its evolved, although I agree that it should be defensive position primarily.

    • Really because you say so?

      Weiters is an offensive catcher? Varitek? Saltalamacchia? AJ Pierzynski? Hell the only offensive catchers in the AL are Napoli, Avila, and maybe one other im forgetting…

  5. Please name an offensive catcher in the AL besides Avila and Napoli….

  6. Hey GreedyStripes is that your blog?

  7. Why did it die in here all the sudden?

    • You guys got put in a time out for bullying, lol

      • Seriously though Ive never signed up for one of these before and all the activity peaked my interest, and now its gone

        • welcome to our blog. P.A.L. I am usually on alot. Was busy tonight though. Not everyone (writers) or (commenters) or on at every second so you have to keep checking back every so often.

          We try to have 4 posts a day. Game day threads are huge when games are on. Stick with us you will enjoy it.

          • Are people usually banned from here? I just find it odd that three ppl having a discussion all went silent all at once..

            • no they are not. I just logged on and saw that some of daniels comments went to spam. maybe cause he was commenting through his facebook login. wordpress is still working on the kinks with that.

            • also it comes and goes. some people max out at 10 cause they have work in the morning. or people take a break to watch the knicks or whatever then check back in later in the nite.

              • Matt… they had a good thing going hay?
                One thing they kept missing was; in the play-offs we had two guys that hit very well, can you name them?
                One is no longer with the team and the other one, again to night was called an if player. You know, a less than steller LF player. My time is up now, or I sleep with the dogs again! 🙂

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