Yankees May Swing And Miss With Swish

As Nick Swisher continues to swing a hot bat in the second half of the season, it’s become a growing premonition with Yankees fans that the team brings him back and lets Curtis Granderson walk following next season. I’ve certainly been on board with that move, as to me Swisher is a much more dangerous and complete hitter than Granderson, not to mention Swish has put up consistent and terrific numbers for a Yankees right fielder. As many have said, the lineup feels incomplete without him, and I definitely will be watching the hot stove carefully to see if Swisher can remain in pinstripes.

But after what I heard this morning – that Swisher is seeking a Jayson Werth-like contract (seven years, $126 million) – it’s almost made me turn my position completely.

Of course, this is not the first outrageous claim by an impeding free agent, and it’s likely that Swisher will take a considerably less amount of money, wherever he ends up signing. But his price will be fairly steep, (likely in the 15 million dollar per year range)and I’m not quite sure – as great a player as he’s been in New York – if he’s actually worth it.

Let me re-phrase that – he IS worth it. But is re-signing him worth the production we’ll see out of a mid to late 30’s Nick Swisher? I don’t think so. Also, the Yankees have a ton of young outfield talent that may be ready for the Bigs as early as next season. But with Swisher’s contract, you can’t have a guy making big bucks sitting on the bench of platooning in a couple years – he has to still be starting.

Another thing worth considering is what about Robinson Cano? He is going to demand a  huge contract come 2013, likely in the 200 million dollar range. (I know, there’s been a lot of talk about range, but who knows what could happen in the next year or so) It’s worth saving shelling out cash to a player [in Swisher] nearly past his prime, in order to keep a player still in the first stages of his.

The Yankees have been talking a lot about getting down to an $189 million payroll, and resigning Cano, Granderson, and maybe Swisher is going to make it very difficult to stay on that route. Perhaps Swish gives the Yankees a hometown discount, and stays in New York only another year or two for a price reasonable for a 32-year old right fielder. But much as I’d love to see Swisher stay in pinstripes, his demands may be too much for the newly conservative New York Yankees.

Posted on August 21, 2012, in Analysis and tagged , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 46 Comments.

  1. I am getting a unicorn before Nick Swisher gets 100 million so that should not influence your opinion its just crazy talk. He should seek it because he is better than Jayson Werth but unfortunately for him thats one of the worst contracts ever. Ive said it before but if he gets a deal like 4/48 I would sign him over Granderson for sure.

    • Now that line is funny!!!

    • Matt I absolutely agree. I’ve had it with Granderson and his all or nothing uppercut swing. Let him go strike out 180-200 times a year someplace else for huge money. We can’t move ARod or Texeira forever because of the contracts. This team needs more players who can hit for average. I’d tell Granderson not to let the door hit him in the butt on the way out.

      • Mike if they were really smart they would trade for Upton and then trade Grandy to recoup the prospects. That would save them money and they should be able to re sign Swisher. They can then put Upton in left, Gardy in CF, and Swish in RF.

        • That would be wonderful, but I have no faith in Cashman.

        • That is the ideal move the Yankees need to make. Granderson is quickly starting to bug me as I realize he isn’t the glorious hitter people make him out to be. I’d trade him as well while his value is still sky-high, before he hits .220 next year and the Yanks can’t move him anywhere.

        • The Ghost of Joe Quinn

          Why would the Yankees want Upton? The idea is to get a less expensive replacement for Swisher. A solid trade target that would cost a lot less then the over rated Upton is Allen Craig.

          As for Swisher wanting big money is freaking wonderful for the Yankees. If means they can now tender him and get a draft pick. Adding a million plus to our draft pool next year is very much needed.

          • less expensive replacement for Granderson

          • Ghost Joe- what does it mean to “tender him and get a draft pick”?

            • Twasp it means to offer him a qualifying offer which would be about 1 yr and 13 mil. If he doesn’t take that and ends up elsewhere the Yankees get a draft pick in compensation

            • The Ghost of Joe Quinn

              Twasp the old type A and B free agent system is gone. In the case of Swisher the Yankees will need to make a 1 year offer to him at the average of the top 125 contracts which should come to about 13.5 million. If Swisher turns down the 1 year offer the Yankees will get a draft pick if he signs elsewhere. So imo with Swisher talking about wanting a big contract means he’s less likely too accept the Yankees tender or 1 year offer.

              The draft pick is even more valuable next year because there will only be a few of them given out right after the first round. Teams will still lose a first round pick to sign Swisher unless they finish with a bottom 10 record. The lost draft pick does not go to the Yankees it disappears.

              So think of it this way if there are 3-4 of these picks and the players sign with a team that will lose there first round pick. The dollar value they will bring to a teams draft pool will be over a million dollars so that is the real value in that. They could sign a senior and then spread that extra money throughout their draft.

              So losing Swisher after tendering him is a good deal for the Yankees if you believe in developing young players for either your own MLB team or as trade bait.

        • Matthew….I know Justin Upton has a ton of natural talent, was great last year and Mike Axisa loves him. I admit I haven’t seen him play much but I do have real concerns about bringing him in based on what little I do know:

          1) He’s having a brutal season this year with just 9 HRs, a .395 SLG% and a 97 OPS+
          2) He plays in the best Hitting Park outside of Coors Field with a 1.371 Park Factor (YS3 is tough on RH hitters and overall a 0.954 Park factor)
          3) He doesn’t hit outside of Chase Field with a .736 Career OPS outside of the Desert
          4) Why has Arizona talked about trading him twice already at the Age of 25 with 3 more years on his contract?
          5) Arizona won’t accept just A-ball prospects Mason Williams & Gary Sanchez for him. One or 2 of the Yanks few young, inexpensive MLB players like Nova, Robertson, Phelps or Gardner would also have to be included which opens up holes in other areas.
          6) He’s owed 3 years and $39 Million after this season so the only savings would be a potentially cheaper Luxury Tax figure ($8.55M) due to his 6 yr $51M contract
          7) While he’s considered to have good range he makes a TON of errors for a RF. In just 5 seasons, he has 49 Errors good for 3rd Amongst Active RF (in just 5 seasons)
          8) Granderson has just 1 year before Free Agency so they wouldn’t recoup many of the prospects they’d lose.

          • The Ghost of Joe Quinn

            Fish do you really think the Yankees will give Cano over 20 million a year?

            • Yeah, and it still may not be enough to keep him. When you see the the money given out on the open market today it’s scary. They should have locked him up before this season like I said this Winter. They could have rolled these last 2 affordable yrs into the extension to lessen the Luxury Tax figure. If Fielder got 9 yrs $214m, Cano will easily get 6 @ $140. Cano hits like a 1B but plays a premium, up the middle position and can move to 3B or 1B in later years if needed.

              • The Ghost of Joe Quinn

                He is too flawed mentally to be paid elite money. I am not saying not to pay him but anything more then 18 million over 6 year with a team option and buyout is too much. At 18 million he’ll be the highest paid second baseman in the game.

  2. 4/44 so it’s not higher than Jeter.

  3. FYI Feleciano is making a rehab start with Tampa yanks tonight.

  4. COME ON MAN,….. SWISHER IS A YANKEE,…. and he is streaky,….. but HE DOES PLAY THE WALL WELL, AND THE FIELD IN GENERAL WELL,….

    SWISHER IS PART OF THE CORE,…..IF CASHMAN CAN NOT CONVINCE SWISHER TO TAKE MAYBE 4 YEARS, 50 MILLION,…. WELL,…. SWISHER CAN GO OUT AND TRY TO GET MORE THAN 50 MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE ANGELS OR DODGERS,

    HE WONT GET IT.

    I DONT EVEN SEE WHY HE WOULD WANT IT.

    IT IS A HGH PRIVELEDGE TO PLAY FOR THE YANKESS

    4/50 WOULD BE A DAMN GREAT DEAL,. AND MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO ALSO KEEP GRANDERSON , WHICH I WOULDNT LET GO NO MATTER WHAT, AND CANO,…

    THE YANKEES HAVE BEEN VERY VOCAL ABOUT NOT OVER PAYING FOR PLAYERS ANYMORE

    HOWEVER, CASHMAN AND STICK MICHAEL , I BELEVE, DO WANT TO KEEP THE CORE INTACT.

    PLAYERS WILL HAVE TO HAVE A FEELING OF LIYALTY, TO TAKE LESS,. TO KEEP THE TEAM ROLLING TO THE POST SEASONS THAT ARE ABOUT TO DEVELOPE INTO A STRING OF WORLD SERIES

    • No doubt, I tried to say that I still very much want Swisher back. He is a great player in my opinion, but the Yankees can’t keep handing out big contracts if they truly want to get to that $189 million mark. I want him over Granderson, but not if he’ll be wanting a big deal that realistically he isn’t totally worth it.

      • I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE

        Granderson has much more potential, if he works in the cages , than swish has,..

        Granderson can already hit leftys. i know he isnt A switch hitter swish is,… but i think the upside is stronger potential with granderson.

        You would have us believe, that granderson is juan samuel. Come on man.

        i donbt want pusdh coming to shove here,.. i want to keep granderson, swisher, cano,…. while we are going to automatricaly keep tex and arod,…. and by default will keep JETER,..

        players coming up for contracts,.. with creativie accounting, the right money moves,.. including charity,.. and strocks, investments,… YOU ARENT TALKING ABOUT LDSING A LOT OF MONEY, BY TAKING LESS, TO PLAY FOR THE YANKEES.

        WHEN I SUGGEST 4 YEAR 50 MILLION FOR SWISHER, THAT IS MORE MONEY THAN 95% OF EVERYONE ALIVE IN THE WORLD TODAY COULD MAKE IN 10 LIFETIMES.

        HE WANTS TO TRY TO GET MORE,.. LEAVE THE TEAM

        WHAT MORE CAN I SAY.
        SHEESH

        • Good point, and I think I will agree to disagree….but in my opinion Swish is simply a more complete hitter who gets on base and is a force anywhere in the lineup. Maybe it’s how the Yankees have been using Grandy. He isn’t a number 2 hitter, and so moving him down will get him better pitches to hit (6th, 7th?). As much power as he has, it doesn’t matter much when it’s a solo home run early in the game. Put him behind Teix, Cano, and A-Rod, and he may have a chance to drive in more runs than he ever has.

          I like Granderson a lot, but Swish has proven in four years he is as consistent an outfielder as you will find, but do the Yankees really want to sign another guy in his early thirties, that, when his deal expires, he’ll be in his mid-to-late thirties? Age is just a number as some say, but only few players stay consistently productive as their prime ends. We’re accustomed to it with Jeter, Andy, Posada, and Mo, but go see how other former superstars are doing. You’ll be surprised.

    • The Ghost of Joe Quinn

      “4/50 WOULD BE A DAMN GREAT DEAL” is a terrible idea…………what core are you talking about? There is no core on this old team. A core group of position players is what the Royals have going forward not the Yankees. The Yankees need to build a new young core but that will not really happen for a couple of years but that talent is coming.

      • I hear that every year but somehow the Royals continue to suck every year while the Yankees win in the mid 90s every year.

        • The Ghost of Joe Quinn

          It takes time for a young team to fully come together. The Royals have a nice young core of position players and pen arms. They need a pitcher or two plus some of their injured arms to get healthy but they could be scary good very soon.

  5. Can’t compare him to everybody else in the world Jim. He gets payed based on his market value and has a right to try to get as much as he can just like anybody else. He has been a great bargain for 4 years for the Yankees now to.

  6. “MARKET VALUE”,…. THAT MEANS IN REALITY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY MLB CAN TAKE OUT OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THROUGH MANY AVENUES, DIRECTLY ANBD INDIRECTLY.

    THEN DIVIE IT UP AMONG THE PLAYERS, THE AMOUNTS ALLOTED.

    THE YANKEES ARE AT THE POINT WHERE THIER PRIVATE MARKET CAPITAL,.. IS NOT READY TO CONTINUE TO RAISE THE DEBT.

    SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, WALL STREET, WHAT PEOPLE EARN,.. AND THE PERCENTAGE OF MONEY PEOPLE PAY, DIRECTLYT AND INDIRECLY, BECAUSE OF SPORTS.

    THE MONEY IS SIMPLY NO LEGITIMATLERY THERE.

    HOWEVER, THE YANKEES HAVE HIGH CREDIT.

    BUT OVER SIGNING PLAYERS,….

    IF YOU DONT THINK THAT HURTS THE INTEREST RATE YOU RECIEVE ON YOUR OWN EARNING,… THINK TWICE.

  7. WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT LITERALLY MULTIPLE THOUSANDS OF PLAYERS IN MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, GOLF, TENNIS, INTO SOCCER,.. TENS OF THOUSANDS OF INDIVIDUALS , OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS, each making more money playing sports, than 95% of anyone alive today could make in 10 lifetimes,…… YOU GOT TO START TO UNDERSTAND IT NEEDS TO BE REELED IN.

    • Sure….just tell the owners to slash ticket prices in half and the networks to stop handing out billion dollar contracts.

      Since neither is ever going to happen salaries aren’t going anywhere but up. When an industry generates that kind of money, you should expect the employees to get paid accordingly.

      • YEAH, AND TELL THE ADVERTISERS TO STOP CHARGING SO MUCH FOR PRODUCTS,…… TO CARRY YOUR THOUGHTS FORWARD, IT IS CALLED DEFLATION,…. AND IS HAPPENING , DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY, ACROSS THE BOARD.
        IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE BANK, THAT CONTROLS THE YANKEES REVOLVING CREDIT, AND THE LOAN TO BUILD THE STADIUM.

  8. NO COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT INTENDED, . THIS IS SIMPLY FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF THE FANS TO HEAR…

  9. Jim its not comparable. Do 45,000 people pay lets say on average 75-100 bucks on the conservative side just for tickets to see lets say teachers teach for example? It may not be a popular opinion but its reality and the market dictates thats how much they will be payed.

  10. Swisher seeking a Werth type contract is not only insane, it contradicts statements made by him previously regarding money and wanting to stay in pinstripes.

    I’m all for handing Swish a 3-4 year deal and letting Granderson walk after 2013. Grandy will be what…33 when his current deal is up? Expecting him to turn a corner at that age and cut down on the K’s is unrealistic at best. I don’t care where he hits in that lineup; if he can’t stop seining at garbage off the plate he’ll never see another good pitch to hit. The idea of “protection” is overrated…. Guys that can’t show that they’ll lay off junk outside/low won’t see anything decent no matter who is behind them. Just ask Cano; his slumps are largely a result of him refusing to wait for a pitch he can drive.
    Trading for Upton is a possibility, but I’m not as high in him as many are. I suppose it depends on who we would have to give up, but we’d be trading for potential, which he has yet to achieve.

  11. I JUST BOOUGHT OVER 6 POUNDS OF GROUND BEEF AT 1.99 A POUND, AND 36 GRADE A EGGLANDS BEST EGGS FOR 4 DOLLARS,…….. YOU DONT THINK DEFLATION EXSISTS,. THINK AGAIN

  12. SEE, THEY CAN NOT JUST TAKE AWAY WPIX CHANNEL 11,….. OVER THE AIR TV,…. BECAUSE FEDERAL LAW ,… LET IS SAY THE JETS OR GIANTS ARE ON ESPN OR NFL NETWORK FOR A GAME, THAT GAME HAS TO , BY FEDERAL LAW, GET SIMULCASTED INTO OCVER THE AIR TV,.. LETS SAY THEY SIMULCAST IT TO CHANNEL 11,.. ONLY I DONBT GET CHANNEL 11 ANYMORE —- DOES THE FEDERAL LAW MAKE SENSE NOW?
    SOMEONE IS COMMITTING A FELONY BY TAKING AWAY CHANNEL 11 FROM ME.
    AND I AM PISSED
    IT IS ALWAYS ABOUYT MONEY

    • You still don’t have WPIX 11?

      • no i do not,… i just checkedf, cablevision has the style channel on, lol,…. ant tv, which shows mchales navy, denice the menace, adam 12, dragnet, the monkess, the partridge family, swat, all in the family, and old movies, is also still not on,…. and neither is wphl tv 17,…….. talk about fellinhg screwed over,….. antena tv has show you simply cant get anhywhere on tv,…. and channel 11 is also decent,.. you dont realize it til it is taken away,m… they even have the honeymooners on,… you know,…CANT JUST TAKE AWAY CHANNEL 11
        SONMEWONES VIOLATING FEDERAL LAW

        • The Ghost of Joe Quinn

          Do you think anyone really cares about this? If it is so damn important to you then MOVE!

          • MOVE? WHY WOPULD I MOVE?,…. THINK ABOUT IT, WHERE I LIVE, HALFWAY BEWTWEEN PHILLY AND NYC, IN WESTERN MONMOUTH COUNTY,…. I CAN GET RID OF CABLE TV, GET RID OF CABLE INTERNET,.. IN ONE SWOOP,…. WIPEAWAY OVER 100 DOLLARS A MONTH BILL,….
            AT THE SAME TIME,. PUT UP AN ANTENA THAT IS GIGANTIC, GET OVER 20 TV STATIONS FOR FREE, INCLUDING CHANNEL 11 AND WPHL 17,…… AND BUY AOL HIGH SPEED DIAL UP FOR 10 DOLLARS A MONTH,…. AND THE BEAUTY WOULD BE,.. THE PHONE LINES,.. WERE ALL INSTALLED COAST TO COAST BY VERIZOPN FIOS, HIGH SPEED FIBER OPTICS,….. AND THE VERIZON PHONE BILL AT 2O DOLLARS A MONTHS, FOR UNLIMITECD OCAL AND LONG DISTANCE, ,., WHICH I PAY FOR ANYWAY,…
            THEN ANY TV SHOW I WANT TO SEE,. OTHER THAN THE 20 CHANNELS I’LL GET FOR FREE,.. I’LL JUST GET ON THE INTERNET FOR FREE
            UP TO AND INJCLUDING THE NFL

            AOL STOCK JUST WENT THIS YEAR FROM 11 A SHARE TO 34 A SHARE,… AND I THINK WILL RISE MORE,…. AS MORE AND MORE PEOPLE REALIZE,… THEY CAN SAVE MONEY ON HIGH SPEED DIAL UP,…. SIMPLY BECAUSE BELL LABS INVENTED HGIGH SPEED DFIBER OPTICS

            IT IS BRILLIANT REVERSE CONSUMERSHIP

            AOL IS ABOUT TO MAKLE EVEN A HIGHER REBOUND,… MARK MY WORDS.

  13. Matt B.”…thanks for the info….

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